Trans men: just as shitty as cis men but more accepted than you will ever be in women’s spaces!
um, no. what?
see, there’s this thing… its called transmisogyny. heard of it?
it’s this thing that says that cuz trans men were assigned female, they’re really still kind of women in the sense that they have that Real Women’s Experience (TM) from being Socialized Female. and on the flipside of that it says that trans women are Fake Women invading Real Women’s Space (TM) with their mythical Male Privilege and Entitlement.
and in fact, there’s some theorizing that trans men have more access than some cis women do to Real Women’s Space (TM), which is very interesting and probably true.
in case the sarcasm is unclear in my or noetherian’s post, this is all Bullshit because trans men are just as scummy (if not more, i still can’t decide) as cis men. trans men are the ones with male privilege and entitlement and internalize male socialization, and trans women are socialized as trans women, which is nothing like being socialized male. in fact, its much much worse than being socialized cis female.
i hope this honestly wasn’t what you were confused about because otherwise, i just sullied my blog with a some Basic Ass Shit that my followers don’t really need to be troubled with.
that wasn’t what i was confused about, i know what transmisogyny is. however, i think that equating trans*dude and cisdude misogyny is really analytically incomplete and pretty transphobic. yes, masculinity can be fucking poisonous. no, trans*dudes are not automatically “scummy” misogynistic douchebags.
yr not addressing the fact that that most trans* experience is a fuckload more complicated than a 1:1 switcheroo of gender and junk. this post also weirdly equates masculinity with maleness, which is fucked. unless OP was referring specifically to trans*guys that identify as straight (ideally cis)men, this completely elides the fact that there are plenty of genderqueer trans*folks out there whose masculine presentation and/or perception in no way guarantees their automatic acceptance of patriarchal power relations.
it’s also really fucked the way yr suggesting an antagonistic relationship between the interests of trans*men and women. yr post blames trans*men for internalizing a poisonous form of masculinity to survive rather than the cismen who actually embody and benefit most from that privilege. obviously folks need to watch their backs and not perpetuate oppressive behaviors, but trans*men are not the reason that trans* or ciswomen are oppressed.
also, typically when people refer to socialization, they’re talking about pre-transition upbringing.“no, trans*dudes are not automatically “scummy” misogynistic douchebags. ”
hahahahhahahah you are too funny. every man is automatically a misogynist. just as every white person is a white supremacist, every cis person is cissexist, every man is a misogynist. this is how the oppressions work.
and also i highly doubt that you know what transmisogyny is considering the fact that you just said and did quite a bit of transmisogynistic shit. perhaps you know of its existence, but clearly you don’t know very much about it.
you told me, as is not atypical for people to do when a trans woman dares to challenge male supremacy, that my understanding of gender and trans male oppression is uncomplicated. which is a huge lol because, duh, hello, i am a trans woman. i can guarantee that my oppression is more complex and convoluted than a trans man’s. you know why? because many of the things that complicate my oppression privilege trans men and (yes!) cafab genderqueers. i can guarantee i have a better understanding of how complex gender is than you do.
and i can also guarantee that my analysis is about a thousand times better than yours.
and i know that because you said that a) trans men do not embody male privilege (HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA) b) trans men are not in part at fault for women’s oppression (see: previous side note) and c) plenty that implied that masculinity and male privilege are interchangeable concepts in this debate. if these are things you believe, than you greatly misunderstand gender, male supremacy, and patriarchy. and there’s really not much i can do for you here.
and finally… yes, dear, i am aware of the definition of socialization. that is, perhaps surprisingly to you, the definition i was operating under when i made the previous statements.
“omg trans men are not like cis men! they’re special magical snowflakey unicorn men who can do no wrong!!! because, you know, socialisation”
WIldness: gentrification as an art installation from skipthemakeup.blogspot.com
I walked away from seeing “Wildness” with WILDLY mixed feelings about Tsang. He tries to posit himself as “one of The Silver Platter girls,” but considering he doesn’t speak Spanish and his work has been seen at the Tate, Whitney and umpteen Biennials, I’m skeptical about him blending in with impoverished trans women from El Salvador who are in the US without papers. He clearly loves the women and cares for their well being but the film never really delves into what they think of him, his continually filming them (the film suggests a fair number are afraid of the INS finding them), his gender presentation much less his friends (who sound nothing if not condescending towards the women).
Wildness, the documentary, ultimately churned up a lot of feelings for me about race, class, gentrification, trans vs. queer vs. gay and even what gets to be defined “art” and what isn’t. Personally, I loved seeing the performances by the trans women and drag queens and found myself cringing at the 25-years-on Pyramid Club ripoff fare offered up by Wildness and its craaazy, 2008-and-still-punky habitues. What I valued most from the film was the questions and contradictions I felt it inadvertently posed while most of the narration and ongoing soliloquies by Tsang I found self-consciously earnest and motivated by his inner fear of coming off as an appropriative artist jerk. In the end, he seems like a nice, sincere queer person but really, androgynous or not, yet another artist explaining the ‘transgenders’ he got to know. I kept feeling this story would have been better told by another filmmaker who could have given real, honest perspective about the cultural and class tectonic jolts suggested in Wildness without being the film’s pivot point.
YES YES YES YES YES.
Sisters Inside Inc comes out against sex work →
Sisters Inside, the Queensland women’s prison abolition organisation, has recently made a number of posts on their facebook page promoting “prostitution abolition” groups and referring people to the writings of Sheila Jeffreys (well known Australian radical feminist, anti-sex work and anti-trans).
Very disappointing and heartbreaking to see that what I thought was such a radical and amazing organisation is actually promoting this crap.
they have deleted some of the offending posts now but have still stood by their idea that they are sex work abolitionist and pro-swedish model style laws. Apparently any sex worker who complains about this is guilty of ‘violence against women’ Apparently its violence now if we are angry and dare to voice this anger when people are campaigning to take away our jobs, criminalize our families, take away our kids, criminalize people who rent us our houses and thus make us more likely to be homeless or pay increased rent, deport more migrant women and charge our own children or collegues who are percieved by the legal system to be men (in reality some trans women and men) with pimping and client charges…
what can i say… i am glad i have lots of weed right now…
Sisters Inside Inc comes out against sex work →
Sisters Inside, the Queensland women’s prison abolition organisation, has recently made a number of posts on their facebook page promoting “prostitution abolition” groups and referring people to the writings of Sheila Jeffreys (well known Australian radical feminist, anti-sex work and anti-trans).
Very disappointing and heartbreaking to see that what I thought was such a radical and amazing organisation is actually promoting this crap.
Here’s the thing: People fucking despise trans women. Often the nicest thing they can think of to say to a trans woman is “gosh, you are so little like a trans woman!” Being trans is something to avoid, to exclude, to escape, at worst to nobly bare up under.
Vivian Taylor, I’m A Trans Woman And I’m Not Interested In Being One of the “Good Ones”
I’d add that while we also internalise this, as Taylor describes in some encounters with other trans* women, our internalising of it is not the same as cis people’s use of it. Trans* women have to do all sorts to survive (and survival comes in many forms). One way we survive is by “being one of the good ones”. It’s not good to survive by stamping on other people, but it’s also not good that a cissexist world creates a situation where, “we’ll let you survive if you stamp on your sisters” even looks like a good proposition.
(via radtransfem)
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[TEXT: Thugzmansion asked you: i’m not sure what your intentions are with laying these claims about me and i would like to see how you arrived at them. i have never verbally attacked anyone online, let alone poc communities, and i am not wearing earrings in that picture. i can understand your frustration with the idea of me designing the shirt but i am a little confused as to why you are slandering me in order to undermine my work. i also don’t identify as a trans man and am disappointed to see my identity invalidated by someone who seems to be grounded in anti-oppression politics.]
okay so i legit wasnt gonna respond to you b/c i honestly don’t give a fuck abt what you think, but since i’ve had so many folks show interest in how yr fucked up, lemme lay it out a lil
you, as a transmasculine person, made a joke about “dont let your gurls round us”, which is clear rape culture and misogyny, and you have yet to account for that
you started a clothing line centered around butch-hatred as a largely butch-presenting cafab transmasculine person which is misogynistic against butch women, and particularly lesbian culture
at the same time you appropriate lesbian as a label when you are not a woman and clearly engage with systems that oppress specifically lesbians
you consistently say transmisogynistic things to trans women, like the time you went at juliana huxtable and her ppl (all black queers) for using the word “cunt” saying that it wasn’t theirs to use DESPITE the fact that she illustrated, in detail, why it was okay for her and her ppl to use it
you designed a t-shirt line based off black female scholarship and resistance and profit off of that
as mocosyamores pointed out, your url is “thugzmansion,” which is not appropriate for you to use seeing as how that is signifier that belongs to black culture
you consistently appropriate hood ways of dressing and speaking to make yourself look cooler (“okurrr” is not a word anywhere, u not only look like a fool, but u also insult us with that bullshit)
you appropriate black and hood girl culture, and make the statement, as is the case with juliana, that as a non-black cafab trans person, you deserve that culture more than black and hood trans girls.
even if you’re not wearing earrings, you’re still making hood face in that photo, which is a disgusting mockery and appropriation of the ways in which people from the hood learn to express ourselves with each other
and lastly, a quick stroll thru yr blog illustrates your fetish for black culture and black people pretty clearly, so i dont think i need to say much else.
to address yr actual message? i’m not tryna undermine your work, im tryna discredit you. because you don’t deserve the money or credit for what you do because what you do is appropriative, misogynistic, anti-black, and fucked.
also idgaf if you id as a trans man or not. my point still stands, misogynistic cafab trans ppl who shit all over women and make rape jokes about them and pretend because they got a certain genital configuration they suddenly understand misogyny. news flash, you don’t.
now you can take yr shit elsewhere because i dont feel like talkin to you anymore.
this post is so important, not just because it’s a refreshing critique of someone who takes up a LOT of space on tumblr, but because it’s a reminder that light-skinned transmasculine faab folks (like me) continue to dominate queer “cultural production” (aka queer appropriation of blackness) with the full support of the tumblrverse.
real talk: i wrote a post about the absurdity in the contradictions of criticizing Juliana Huxtable and lumping her with “gay male misogyny” over a tshirt with the word cunt on it….. then as a “response” photoshopping your product based upon the work of black, caribbean, and chicana women onto the body of a black girl so you can sell it …
except i got too exhausted and nervous and angry at gay area popularity bullshit whatever so i am glad this posts exists
terry youre fucking up and you need to sit down and think about your life choices
we (non-black poc, dfab non-black queer/trans/gnc poc) really need to pay attention to this shit.](http://24.media.tumblr.com/88da61fe8931d7f47926da1a7b98fbbf/tumblr_mmphmwodpP1roy1oko1_500.png)
[TEXT: Thugzmansion asked you: i’m not sure what your intentions are with laying these claims about me and i would like to see how you arrived at them. i have never verbally attacked anyone online, let alone poc communities, and i am not wearing earrings in that picture. i can understand your frustration with the idea of me designing the shirt but i am a little confused as to why you are slandering me in order to undermine my work. i also don’t identify as a trans man and am disappointed to see my identity invalidated by someone who seems to be grounded in anti-oppression politics.]
okay so i legit wasnt gonna respond to you b/c i honestly don’t give a fuck abt what you think, but since i’ve had so many folks show interest in how yr fucked up, lemme lay it out a lil
- you, as a transmasculine person, made a joke about “dont let your gurls round us”, which is clear rape culture and misogyny, and you have yet to account for that
- you started a clothing line centered around butch-hatred as a largely butch-presenting cafab transmasculine person which is misogynistic against butch women, and particularly lesbian culture
- at the same time you appropriate lesbian as a label when you are not a woman and clearly engage with systems that oppress specifically lesbians
- you consistently say transmisogynistic things to trans women, like the time you went at juliana huxtable and her ppl (all black queers) for using the word “cunt” saying that it wasn’t theirs to use DESPITE the fact that she illustrated, in detail, why it was okay for her and her ppl to use it
- you designed a t-shirt line based off black female scholarship and resistance and profit off of that
- as mocosyamores pointed out, your url is “thugzmansion,” which is not appropriate for you to use seeing as how that is signifier that belongs to black culture
- you consistently appropriate hood ways of dressing and speaking to make yourself look cooler (“okurrr” is not a word anywhere, u not only look like a fool, but u also insult us with that bullshit)
- you appropriate black and hood girl culture, and make the statement, as is the case with juliana, that as a non-black cafab trans person, you deserve that culture more than black and hood trans girls.
- even if you’re not wearing earrings, you’re still making hood face in that photo, which is a disgusting mockery and appropriation of the ways in which people from the hood learn to express ourselves with each other
- and lastly, a quick stroll thru yr blog illustrates your fetish for black culture and black people pretty clearly, so i dont think i need to say much else.
to address yr actual message? i’m not tryna undermine your work, im tryna discredit you. because you don’t deserve the money or credit for what you do because what you do is appropriative, misogynistic, anti-black, and fucked.
also idgaf if you id as a trans man or not. my point still stands, misogynistic cafab trans ppl who shit all over women and make rape jokes about them and pretend because they got a certain genital configuration they suddenly understand misogyny. news flash, you don’t.
now you can take yr shit elsewhere because i dont feel like talkin to you anymore.
this post is so important, not just because it’s a refreshing critique of someone who takes up a LOT of space on tumblr, but because it’s a reminder that light-skinned transmasculine faab folks (like me) continue to dominate queer “cultural production” (aka queer appropriation of blackness) with the full support of the tumblrverse.
real talk: i wrote a post about the absurdity in the contradictions of criticizing Juliana Huxtable and lumping her with “gay male misogyny” over a tshirt with the word cunt on it….. then as a “response” photoshopping your product based upon the work of black, caribbean, and chicana women onto the body of a black girl so you can sell it …
except i got too exhausted and nervous and angry at gay area popularity bullshit whatever so i am glad this posts exists
terry youre fucking up and you need to sit down and think about your life choices
we (non-black poc, dfab non-black queer/trans/gnc poc) really need to pay attention to this shit.
so i am a little overwhelmed with all that is currently on my plate as a qpoc who is mostly being consumed by job and health issues but i am hoping to respond to all of the valid critiques of the goddesses shirt and my photoshopped image of willow smith as well as the not so accurate comments about my identity and experiences that i have received today. i am not disconnected from these conversations and entered the project of the shirt with the foremost intentions of inciting helpful dialogue. while i have learned from past experiences that tumblr is not exactly conducive to conversations where good communication actually takes place, i want to be accountable to all of the ways that i have messed up in going forth with the different ways i have been realizing my vision as an artist. there are always going to be new ways that an idea can be expanded and thought over and i am grateful for all of the knowledge that this project has generated. it is a little stressful to have people whom i’ve never met try and define my work by my online presence and what they perceive my identity to be like but i am hoping to provide a better look at what my intentionality is as soon as i get the opportunity.
hahahahahahaaaaaaa~ wow, really? I mean really?
I’m not sure if you could make a more sympathy mongering, bay area bullshit ally, recasting yourself as the ~just wants to be accountable~ victim post if you tried.
“overwhelmed by everything on my plate” ( You say in response to being called out by an unemployed homeless trans woman of color. must be hard being faux poor and trying to get to NYC colleges :’( )
“as a qpoc” (newsflash: thats everyone your talking to, idiot. But, its cool, you deserve sympathy more.)
“my identity and experiences” (this is trans cafab bullshit speak for “i can do or say whatever i want and take up space in womens and trans communities and redefine myself as whatever is most socially useful to me in the moment so no one can make me accountable to anything I’ve done or said b/c I’m always not what you say I am and no analysis encompases me especially not anything that plenty of TWOC have been analyzing and speaking about on our manipulative as fuck ways that always ultimately harms trans women of color.”)
“ intentions of inciting helpful dialogue” (I live in the bay area and can weasel my way out of anything making me uncomfortable by reframing everything to be about ”intentions” and ”help” and ”dialogue”)
“learned from past experiences that tumblr is not exactly conducive to conversations where good communication actually takes place” (Why is no one making good communication with me? Dont they see how I’m representing myself to be the good person in a sea of bad communicators who all happen to be calling me on my shit? Do they exspect me to listen when there not even coddling me or my bullshit excuses for myself and the dynamics I carelessly engage in? Do they really exspect me to be accountable for anti-blackness and transmisogyny when I have a real cunt??? Countdown to counter-call-out starts now.)
“i want to be accountable to all of the ways that i have messed up in going forth with the different ways i have been realizing my vision as an artist.” (I have no intention of being accountable for anything whatsoever and this is not about me its about my art, and you better make sure we keep the focus there. Also, this is about “my visions as an artist” not in anyway about how my ”art” is bringing in money for me, not at all. I’m going to continue heroically forward with by vision of making money, despite you h8rs on my art.)
“i am grateful for all of the knowledge that this project has generated.” (bay area faux acknowledgement time! I hope this makes up for how I’ve been preemptively shifting the focus, removing blame, gathering sympathy and discrediting everything said and ignoring how people have already called me on this b4 and i didn’t do shit but be smug and self-righteous … till it became and internet shit storm… by saying i’m grateful for ‘the knowledge that this project has generated’ implicitly making my work ultimately good. I’m so glad my work has helped make me a better person as i discredit everyone who critiques me. Thanks for helping me grow~~~~~)
“it is a little stressful to have people whom i’ve never met try and define my work by my online presence and what they perceive my identity to be like”
This has so much bullshit in it its tricky to deconstruct.
Why do you assume anyone calling you has never met you? Can’t even go to Ships without seeing you and an entourage fallowing you around- its hard not to know you. I’ve met you like, 8 times at least.
If someone hasn’t met you they cant criticize your anti-blackness and transmisogyny…why exactly? That doesn’t make any fucking sense— your reframing everything about this solely to benefit yourself and your image. This is as insincere as you can get. No one needs to know you in person to know this shit about you. But sure, its b/c once they get to know you they will realize… your cafab? non-black? not from the hood? claim trans identities then leave them at your convenience? butch presenting but with lipstick?
Oh but whoops it doesnt matter b/c almost everyone writing has met you more than once and everyone knows you. So. Nope. Your full of manipulation games, but actually, your nothing but bullshit, ego, and bay area fauxpology evasion.
“my intentionality”
hahahahaha. go to hell.
““my identity and experiences” (this is trans cafab bullshit speak for “i can do or say whatever i want and take up space in womens and trans communities and redefine myself as whatever is most socially useful to me in the moment so no one can make me accountable to anything I’ve done or said b/c I’m always not what you say I am and no analysis encompases me especially not anything that plenty of TWOC have been analyzing and speaking about on our manipulative as fuck ways that always ultimately harms trans women of color.”)”
RELEVANT ALWAYS.
don’t leave your gurl round us
UGH i am SO tired of seeing this kids face around my dash. they are fucking anti-black piece of shit who then turns around and profits off of black feminists. i’ve personally see them verbally attack groups of poor black queer people, dictating to them what their culture is or isnt and what their experiences with anti-black queerphobic violence is. they consistently appropriate poor black and brown culture (whats up with those earings, rich kid?) for some hipster aesthetic and then sell this goddamn t-shirt, making hella money that should go to a million poor black people who could design more interesting and fly designs in half the time it prolly took them to come up with that hipster garbage.
but no, they wouldn’t make any money cuz yall dumbasses who support this piece of shit find poor black culture more interesting when its on some rich non-black hipster bitch than an actual black person from the hood.
and besides that, “dont leave yr gurl around us?” thats some rape culture ass shit, fuck a bunch of trans men.
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you know what pisses me off?
when people ask when my voice will change from being on E like it does for trans guys on T
NEWSFUCKINGFLASH
E doesn’t work the same fucking way like AT ALL
i’m not going to get a fucking petite body frame
my face isn’t going to magically change to a heart shape
facial hair doesn’t just stop growing
/transgirlrants
urgh i’ve got this so much from trans guys. i want to vomit on them.
